Cool Video: Sheriff Lenic sticks up for the First Amendment at Albany airport!

I saw this on the news yesterday and I wanted to see the video for myself on youtube. It’s awesome stuff! Two people who works for InfoWars were campaigning at Albany Airport to warn travelers about the X-Rays of Body scanners, by handing out flyers, yet, the airport boss, Doug Myers confronted them about it and tried to get them to stop. Sheriff Lenic says these two were doing nothing wrong and had every right to do it, protecting 1st Amendment rights.

This is awesome stuff.

I’ve always believed in the 1st Amendment and Freedom of Speech, rights. You should too. People always seemed to take away my rights, when they don’t agree with things and I’ll always stay loyal to the 1st Amendment, no matter what happens.

Thanks Sheriff!

Kev

19 thoughts on “Cool Video: Sheriff Lenic sticks up for the First Amendment at Albany airport!”

  1. No one is trying to take away your 1A rights.

    And while those guys have a right to to spread the information, the airport has the right to stop them from doing it on their property.

    And if what they are doing becomes disruptive to security or interferes with public safety, the law can stop them.

    Free speech is not an absolute right. It does have limitations.

    1. “No one is trying to take away your 1A rights.”

      You don’t understand my history with freedom of speech troubles. I’ve been kicked out forums for years which is the big part of the reason why I started blogging, so I can have my own freedom of speech.

      “And while those guys have a right to to spread the information, the airport has the right to stop them from doing it on their property.”

      No, they don’t have a right to stop them. An airport is a public place and people can do whatever they want to do.

      And if what they are doing becomes disruptive to security or interferes with public safety, the law can stop them.

      If the law stops them, then that disrespects the Constitution. It doesn’t matter if they were disruptive or interfering, they have every right to campaign if they wanted to.

      Free speech is not an absolute right. It does have limitations.

      Wrong. It’s a free country. People can do whatever they want to do as long it’s not against the law, and what these people were doing was completely legal.

      That Doug Myers guy, was just being an asshole and a complete douchebag.

      Kev

      1. And free speech is an absolute right. Those who say it has it’s limitations are full of shit. Sure we can get sued or get arrested that breaks the law, but that still gives us the right to say what we want even if there are consequences. That still doesn’t take away freedom of speech. Freedom of speech gives people the right to take action if the law is broken too, but these two people protesting at the airport didn’t break any laws. They weren’t libelous, slanderous and there was no hate speech from those two, so what harm did they give? Nothing at all. They were pretty safe and harmless.

        Kev

      2. “You don’t understand my history with freedom of speech troubles. I’ve been kicked out forums for years which is the big part of the reason why I started blogging, so I can have my own freedom of speech. ”

        Freedom of speech means that you’re free to find AN outlet for your opinions. It does not mean you can have EVERY outlet. You’re not entitled to a captive audience.

        If people want to kick you out of a forum, and the forum isn’t taxpayer funded or something, then they can do that. It’s not infringing on your freedom of speech, they just don’t want you there.

        You being unable to get people to just sit there and listen to whatever you want to say is not the same as these people peacefully handing out flyers in a public airport. It’s like saying you getting a papercut is the same as someone battling cancer.

  2. Do a little research. Read a few Supreme Court rulings.

    And while you are at it, look into Airport security laws. Airports and their Security teams (some airports even have their own Police force) have every right to limit access and deny entry to people who pose a threat. (Ex.: Federal No Fly list)

    You can not threaten public safety or endanger anyone.

    As for forums, try actually reading their terms of service before clicking “agree”. Even right here in WordPress.

    They all have conditions limiting or regulating what you can say or post. So free speech doesn’t really apply as you essentially wave your right when you click agree.

    Further, blogs and forums are private property, even if they are hosted on a public domain. The owners have the right to do as they please.

    And YOU are guilty of quashing free speech right here on your very own blog.

    When I responded with factual links and evidence in the Fast & Furious discussion that shot down your misleading and wrong information, you refused to post it. The same goes for the Obama discussion on the img you posted from facebook.

    Moderating comments IS directly and deliberately interfering with and taking away free speech.

    If you want to see fully legal limitations of free speech, google the following:

    Espionage Act of 1917
    Schenck v. United States
    Debs v. United States
    Benjamin Gitlow
    Smith Act
    Defamation and Obscenity laws

    The list goes on.

    You won’t win a Constitutional argument with me. But if you want to learn, I will be more than happy to help you.

    1. Well, I admit that there are limits to freedoms of expression, but we still have freedom of speech, we just have responsibilities…

      but you are mistaken on a few things here.

      1) At airports, the only security laws they have are the TSA, but everywhere else in the airport all laws applies just like everywhere in the USA. So in reality there are no security rules and regulations in airport terminals. There maybe security and police officers at airports yes, but they won’t take legal action on people if they aren’t breaking the law. All these two people from InfoWars did was hand out flyers warning people about something through the TSA security. How is that posing a threat to the airport? They did not stick a gun out at anybody or tape bombs under their clothes or anything like that. They were completely harmless. So what was this douchebag, Doug Myers, acting all scared for? He probably couldn’t handle the truth about the X-Ray scanners having risks, so he decided to try and stop them to cover himself up, and try to save his job which he failed miserably. Look like Doug Myers, is going to get himself in trouble.

      2) While there is still freedom of speech and limitations which I agree with now, you can still say whatever you want however. You can still say negative or hateful things and not get in any trouble for it. As long it’s nothing criminal, it’s okay. Words are just words.

      3) As for forums & blogs, each forum or blog on the internet. They all have their own ways of running it. They all have their own rules. I chosen wordpress because simply put the TOS is not really strict here, more freedom. Why do each forum or blog have their own rules? Because they have the freedom of speech to control it however they want to, just like I have the freedom of speech to control this site however I please. I choose to moderate and be strict on comments, ’cause that’s my freedom of speech too. Just like it’s the other moderators/admins freedom of speech when they ban me from other forums. Get what I’m saying now?

      Back to the Albany airport story, the Albany officials had every right to take action, but the police officers especially the Sheriff had every right to defend the activists and the 1st Amendment. Even law enforcement knows that the 1st Amendment should be protected. They could lose their jobs if they just put the handcuffs on the activists and put them in the back of a police car. The Sheriff did the right thing for it, and he’s a hero. As long as you aren’t breaking any laws or not doing anything criminal, you have the right to do what you please. Free country, dude.

      Kev

      1. 1. I don’t know about your airport, but we have airport police here. And they do arrest people when they break the law at the airport.-as they should. And if they aren’t breaking the law, I would expect they do not take action. I never argued otherwise.

        And I don’t give two shits about what the infowars people do, so long as they do not interfere with security. As long they aren’t breaking any laws, or posing a risk, they should be left alone.

        2. I never said you could not say anything you want. My only point, my only claim and my only argument was that there are limits and laws regarding what you can and can not say. Break those laws or exceed those limitations, and there may be consequences. That’s what limits are and how they work. Just because you can physically and actually speak the words, does not mean it is free speech. Again, just like robbing a liquor store, just because you can do it, does not mean you have the right to. You do not have the right to slander another person. You do not have the right to tell the Iraqis how to build a nuclear weapon. Sure…you CAN do those things, but you do not have the right to do it, and you will be punished as a result.

        I don’t think you have a very clear understanding of what “rights” are.

        3. You make no sense. Yes, you do have the freedom to run your blog however you see fit. But when you moderate comments, you are denying others their right to free speech. Do YOU get THAT?

      2. I don’t know about your airport, but we have airport police here. And they do arrest people when they break the law at the airport.-as they should. And if they aren’t breaking the law, I would expect they do not take action. I never argued otherwise.

        And I don’t give two shits about what the infowars people do, so long as they do not interfere with security. As long they aren’t breaking any laws, or posing a risk, they should be left alone.

        To interpret what I said a little better, laws at airports are treated the same way everywhere in the USA. I think that’s what I was saying.

        If airports are going to ban people from passing out flyers, then the law should ban musicians for passing out flyers at shows or ban people for passing out flyers advertising events in the city streets.

        How is this threatening or being disruptive to the public?

        Break those laws or exceed those limitations, and there may be consequences. That’s what limits are and how they work. Just because you can physically and actually speak the words, does not mean it is free speech. Again, just like robbing a liquor store, just because you can do it, does not mean you have the right to. You do not have the right to slander another person. You do not have the right to tell the Iraqis how to build a nuclear weapon. Sure…you CAN do those things, but you do not have the right to do it, and you will be punished as a result.

        True to all that, but the point I was trying to make that you can still say stuff that people aren’t going to like. Whether you disagree with it or don’t like what somebody said, they had every right to say it. Just like people have every right to hate on me. While I don’t like all the things people say about me out there, I can’t do anything about it ’cause freedom of speech does that. I have said plenty of things people didn’t like, but I have every right to say them.

        While Doug Myers may not have liked what the two from InfoWars did, he could have kept it for himself and just let it go. He should have known better that they had every right to do it. He tried to stop it ’cause only he didn’t like it.

        You make no sense. Yes, you do have the freedom to run your blog however you see fit. But when you moderate comments, you are denying others their right to free speech. Do YOU get THAT?

        Yes, I get it, but you’re wrong once again. I don’t deny anyone else’s freedom of speech. It’s just that I want my blog civil as possible. I just can’t accept anything hateful or negative. I have the freedom of speech to do just that. You can say what you want about me else where, but here, you can’t.

        Kev

      3. On a side note, you guys can continue discussing this if you want to, I’ve got some news to report, that I’ve been missing.

        Kev

  3. I never said those guys were doing anything wrong. I only gave examples of potential for wrong doing.

    And your argument about “consequences”: is wrong too.

    You do not have the right to libel or slander someone. Sure, you can doiit, and there will be consrquences, as there are with any law you break, but that does not mean you have the right to do it.

    That’s like saying you have the right to rob a liquor store at gunpoint. There are laws against it, and there will be consequences, but you still have the right.

  4. “And free speech is an absolute right. Those who say it has it’s limitations are full of shit. Sure we can get sued or get arrested that breaks the law, but that still gives us the right to say what we want even if there are consequences. ”

    Dude, seriously?

    That is EXACTLY what limitations are. Laws regarding what you can or can not say are limitations. Violate those limitations, and you will face the consequences.

    The Supreme Court itself was the ruling body that stated Free Speech is not an absolute right. And althougt it is a protected right. it still has it’s limitations.

    1. You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about yourself, and I’ll reply my thoughts to all that later. Right now, I’ve got better things to do.

      Kev

  5. To interpret what I said a little better, laws at airports are treated the same way everywhere in the USA. I think that’s what I was saying.

    Federal laws are the same for all airports across the country, but each airport still have local laws to abide by. Private and municipal airports may have different local regulations from state to state, or even city to city.

    If airports are going to ban people from passing out flyers, then the law should ban musicians for passing out flyers at shows or ban people for passing out flyers advertising events in the city streets.

    You can just make such braod generalized statements. It’s not about “flyers” it’s about what is on the flyers. Content. If a musician on the street wrote a song detailing how to build a nuclear weapon, and passed out flyers on the street with that song’s lyrics on it, he would be arrested.

    That’s like saying if you arrest gun owners for shooting at passing cars on the street , you have to arrest gun owners for shooting at targets at a gun range.

    How is this threatening or being disruptive to the public?

    In that particular instance in that video, I don’t know. I didn’t see enough to see if they were being disruptive. But then again, I never claimed they were being disruptive.

    In that video, they most likely were not being disruptive, so the sheriff allowed them to stay.

    Now, on the other hand, if they were being disruptive of security measure and procedures, then they should be removed.

  6. And this….what the hell is his?

    <i At airports, the only security laws they have are the TSA, but everywhere else in the airport all laws applies just like everywhere in the USA. So in reality there are no security rules and regulations in airport terminals. There maybe security and police officers at airports yes, but they won’t take legal action on people if they aren’t breaking the law. .

    You say TSA is the only security, but you say police will arrest people for breaking the laws. But how do they do that, when you say there are no rules or regulations at airports? Yet you say the law applies there just like everywhere else?

    Do you really believe there are no security rules at airports? No regulations?

    Have you ever even been to an airport?

    1. I don’t give a shit what you think. I’ll stand by the things I say that these two did nothing wrong. I’m done discussing this.

      Kev

      1. He never said they did anything wrong. All he has done is explain to you the finer details of law that you obviously have no intention of understanding. I wonder if your “I don’t give a shit” attitude and disinterest in learning when you’re being corrected that keeps you getting banned from Forums.

        Freedom of Speech
        Freedom of Religion
        Freedom of Media
        Right to peacefully assemble
        Right to peacefully protest.

        The basic protections of the First amendment, all of which have clear limitations, as expressed by the SCOTUS, and laws established by Congress.

        TSA regulates some things while federal/state/local laws are also enforced. Airports, depending on policy, can remove any person without cause from the grounds. Every airport is differant.

        That said, These people did nothing wrong (at least according to what is filmed) and the Sheriff was correct in allowing them to stay.

        The PR guy likewise did nothing wrong by barring non-ticketed passengers from going upstairs (including these two) it is the airport’s right. (Even though this was an asinine move).

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