Another thing that frustrates me with people when it comes to discussion & debates about Obama is the large number of people who actually think Obama really was born in Hawaii. The reason so many people believe that still is because when Obama released his birth certificate for the whole world to see at the Correspondents Dinner in 2011 that’s when most people actually believed it. Even if a lot of people today don’t like Obama, they still believe he was born in the US ’cause they mistakenly believed that the birth certificate he released was official proof.
Just so you know, I still believe that Obama was born in Kenya and not in Hawaii. A lot of people mistakenly believe that Obama would be considered US Citizen even if he was born in Kenya ’cause his mother was US born. Wrong. Here is a little reminder how he wouldn’t be… check out my older post, here.
So yeah, I still stand by it that he wasn’t born in the United States. Even though the media has moved on from Obama’s nationality background, I’ll never move on from it. It can’t be that hard to tell that he wasn’t from here. Just look at the clues and signs like his father being Kenyan born, his speaking voice/accent sounding African like, he still shows a lot of support for Kenya and Muslim people. Things like that.
When people go after his nationality… it’s not really about hating on him or being racist or whatever. It’s about what’s right for the Constitution. That’s why people are skeptical about his nationality. This is nothing new. People have been skeptical of his nationality ever since he was a young child. Only natural born US citizens are allowed to be President. People shouldn’t give up on trying to expose his nationality. We can’t have an immigrant as President.
Even if Donald Trump stopped going after him, I think he will try something else in the near future, just watch him. I’ll never change my thoughts on this no matter how many people believe Obama was US born. We shouldn’t ignore this. Respect the Constitution.
On a side note, there is a perfectly good reason why the Constitution only allows national born US citizens to become President… because if a foreign person was allowed to become President, foreign people could have a different vision with America. Foreign people can’t be trusted. They could also be associating and collaborating with terrorist groups like Al Qeada for example. Teaming up with other countries who could be evil. A foreign president would have risks of destroying this country. They don’t know much about America. An actual US Citizen would know more about America better than anybody.
Another perfect way of how you can tell that Obama is definitely not from here is the way he is controlling America now. All the controversies, scandals, and war crimes. An American president wouldn’t have done all that. The more Obama continues to do these things, the more it’s starting to clearly see that he’s trying to turn the United States into Islamic America. He supports Muslim Brotherhood. I don’t think a US citizen would support that stuff, right?
Kev
K'Brocking 
Being born in Kenya wouldn’t give him an “African sounding accent” considering he was raised in Hawaii and Indonesia.
Yes, he sounds a bit too much like an African when he speaks. He sounds like an African even more without the teleprompter. When he’s not reading off of anything, he sound absolutely horrible and you could barely understand a word he’s saying.
It’s amazing how uptight people get when they disagree with my Obama bashing. I’m not gonna quit. I’ll keep going until they start pulling their hair out.
Kev
Re: “Another thing that frustrates me with people when it comes to discussion & debates about Obama is the large number of people who actually think Obama really was born in Hawaii.”
Apparently you believe that he was not born in Hawaii. Well then you should be able to answer this question:
For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:
(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank, and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;
(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);
(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).
If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.
So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?
There are many ways and different theories of how Obama got here from Kenya. He just kept it all secretive.
Anyway, if you think Barack O’ wasn’t Kenyan born and he was born in Hawaii… try asking these questions…
1) If you think Obama wasn’t Kenyan born, then why did his Literary agent in 1991 described him as “born from Kenya” during his college days? That was a few years before he published his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father”, which I’m currently reading now.
2) If you look around youtube you can find older videos where both Michelle and Barack admitted to it.
3) Since he is planning an upcoming African tour, why do you think he is avoiding Kenya?
Those are a few pretty tough questions that I bet you can’t answer.
Kev
Re: “1) If you think Obama wasn’t Kenyan born, then why did his Literary agent in 1991 described him as “born from Kenya” during his college days? That was a few years before he published his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father”, which I’m currently reading now.”
Answer: The explanation is very simple. It was, duh, a mistake. Perhaps you did not know but Barack Hussein Obama was in fact born in Kenya. Yes Barack Hussein Obama, the father of the president, was born in Kenya. That is the probable source of the mistake, but it was a MISTAKE, not the reality. Obama the president was born in Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, as his book and his birth certificate and the officials of BOTH parties and the Index Data file and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers (which were sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and ONLY the DOH could send those notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the paper) all show.
Re: “2) If you look around youtube you can find older videos where both Michelle and Barack admitted to it.”
Answer: There is a FORGED video of Obama that claims to say that “I was born in Kenya”—but you cannot see his mouth move when he is alleged to have said it, and the original of the video has been found, and he did NOT say it. Michelle said that Kenya was his “home country” or “homeland”—or whatever–but neither of those says “he was born there.” They are ways of saying that Kenya is the country where his ancestors came from—and indeed his ancestors on his father’s side did come from Kenya.
Did you know that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961? Did you know that the Kenyan government has said (I can show you a link if you like) that it investigated the claim that Obama was born in Kenya, and that it found that that claim IS NOT TRUE?
Re: “3) Since he is planning an upcoming African tour, why do you think he is avoiding Kenya?”
Answer: He may be avoiding going to Mississippi too—-does that mean that he was born in Mississippi? There are a lot of reasons, one being that there are a LOT of African countries to see. Another being that he has already visited Kenya, and still another is that Kenya just had an election, the results of which are in dispute.
Re: ‘Those are a few pretty tough questions that I bet you can’t answer. ”
And now, as you see, I have answered ALL of your questions, and you have not answered mine. Why not take a crack at it?
“The explanation is very simple. It was, duh, a mistake. Perhaps you did not know but Barack Hussein Obama was in fact born in Kenya. Yes Barack Hussein Obama, the father of the president, was born in Kenya. That is the probable source of the mistake, but it was a MISTAKE, not the reality. Obama the president was born in Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, as his book and his birth certificate and the officials of BOTH parties and the Index Data file and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers (which were sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and ONLY the DOH could send those notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the paper) all show.”
Before that book was released, Obama was publicly open to being born in Kenya. I doubt it was a mistake. Once again, I believe that Obama could have paid his literary agent more money to keep that info hidden from the public. He tried but someone got a hold of it and leaked it on the internet.
Answer: There is a FORGED video of Obama that claims to say that “I was born in Kenya”—but you cannot see his mouth move when he is alleged to have said it, and the original of the video has been found, and he did NOT say it. Michelle said that Kenya was his “home country” or “homeland”—or whatever–but neither of those says “he was born there.” They are ways of saying that Kenya is the country where his ancestors came from—and indeed his ancestors on his father’s side did come from Kenya.
Where is the original video???
Answer: He may be avoiding going to Mississippi too—-does that mean that he was born in Mississippi? There are a lot of reasons, one being that there are a LOT of African countries to see. Another being that he has already visited Kenya, and still another is that Kenya just had an election, the results of which are in dispute.
Wrong. He hasn’t visited Kenya at all during his Presidency to be honest with you. If you don’t think he wasn’t born in Kenya, then watch this video.
A news journalist goes to Kenya himself to interview Kenyan people who are hoping that Barack would make a visit to his home country. People in Kenya clearly said they are hoping, he would “come home”. Obama’s name is written all over walls and stores there. He’s looked at as a hero there. Even the University of Nairobi, Adams Oloo, says Obama could be avoiding Kenya just to avoid an embarrassing situation that would hurt his Presidency. I think that video is good enough proof that he was from there.
Kev
(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank, and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;
Considering that Obama was born Aug. 4th, 1961. I’ve read that Ann Dunham got a teaching job in Indonesia teaching English in 1968, and she was an assistant director at LIA. Before then, she attended college in Hawaii. From age 6 to 10, I’ve read that Obama attended schools in Indonesia. In 1971, that’s when Obama went back to Hawaii to live his life full time until he moved to Chicago later in the years.
If they were able to get work and go to school, I’m pretty sure they were able to get by financially well.
When Ann married Barack Sr. and Lolo Soetoro, there has been no marriage records which would have showed her travelling records. When Barack O’ was born in ’61, there was no birth records from what I’ve seen.
There is a lot of talk that Ann Dunham may have destroyed her passports prior to ’68.
(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);
You are probably right that she had to travel alone but don’t you think she may have found a different way to get Obama to Hawaii secretively and anonymously? Maybe she had somebody else bring him there? Ever thought of that, hey? Like I said she may have possibly destroyed her passports, marriage records, and all kinds of personal information. That way people won’t discover that she somehow brought Barack illegally over to the US.
Yes, if it’s discovered that Barack is born in Kenya, that would make him an illegal alien. Hawaii wasn’t made an official state of the US until 1959 and Barack was born in ’61. That’s two years after Hawaii was made a state. In order to be considered American Citizen-natural born… you need to be a permanent resident of that state for 5 years.
(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).
Either that or Ann must of altered the Kenyan B.C. for Barack or Barack did it himself later in the years. Or maybe Obama is hiding his real Kenyan B.C. in a safe place while he publicly released the fake one. I’m not sure if it’s illegal to have two birth certificates, probably not but it’s possible to have two.
I never understood why these shady people have to keep his birthplace secret. Never understood why Barack would keep it secret either when it shouldn’t be that hard. I swear to you that he used to be publicly open about being born in Kenya up until he started entering politics. That’s when he started to change everything.
He fails terribly at trying to hide his birthplace ’cause the people of Kenya even know he was born from there. Look around. Do some googling and youtubing. You would see that Kenyan locals and political officials there hope he would visit home one day.
There are many possible ways that Barack’s parents could have sent him to Hawaii from Kenya. Not just those three you talked about.
Maybe Barack’s parents sent him to the USA ’cause they wanted him to have a big and bright future in his life. They wanted to give him a life that they didn’t have and Barack just wants to do things that would have made his parents proud if they were still alive today. That’s why he’s President of the United States. Oh yeah, and Barack Sr. wasn’t a very good man either so you can see where Obama gets his personality from.
Kev
Oh, Re: Where is the original video???
Answer: HERE:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/video/The-President-Talks-with-Students-in-Turkey/
And here is the forged video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpNYuNX01bg
Once again Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Only 21—want to see the link to that FACT? And, guess what, we do not even know that Obama’s mother had a passport. And we know that VERY VERY few women traveled late in pregnancy in 1961 perhaps one in a hundred thousand or even less—that is because of the high incidence of stillbirths in those days. So what are the odds that Obama’s mother was one of those 21? (Not very good, right?). And, the officials of the government of Kenya say that they investigated and that Obama certainly was NOT born there.
So, what do we have. We have an error by a publicist saying he was born in Kenya, and a clearly FORGED video saying that he admitted being born in Kenya, and we know that the chance of his being born in Kenya was one in 21 people in 1961 and the chance of his mother going out of the country was one in a hundred thousand or less, and we have the official statements of two governments that Obama was NOT born in Kenya. The Kenyan government saying that he was NOT born there, and the Hawaii government (officials of both parties in Hawaii, plus the birth notices in the newspapers etc etc) saying that he was born in Hawaii.
What are the odds that (1) Obama’s parents had enough money to send their daughter on such a trip (they didn’t); (2) That they would have done so even if they had the money despite the risk of stillbirth; (3) She and Obama were two of the 21 who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961; (4) the Kenyan government AND the Hawaiian officials of both parties are lying, and somehow someone was able to plant forged microfilms in two separate libraries showing that the DOH of Hawaii sent birth notices to the newspapers “Health Bureau Statistics” section (which only the DOH could send notices to and it only send those notices for births in Hawaii in 1961).
The fact that his publicist got it wrong does not and cannot overcome the gigantic odds against all those things happening, and forged videos should be counterproductive. People who forge videos are trying to get you to believe things that are false.
Re Obama not having visted Kenya as president. Sure, that is true, but I said that he had visited Kenya. And he did. His first visit was in 1988, and he visited Kenya AGAIN in 2006, shortly after he was elected to the Senate (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-1299403/The-Obama-Tour-Meeting-presidents-relatives-Kenya.html). So he has visited Kenya twice, and most other countries in Africa not at all.
Oh, by the way, there are also several forged “Kenyan birth certificates,” done for much the same reason as the forged video, and one of them (the one with the footprint on it) was done by a fellow named Lucas D. Smith, who claimed to have gotten it in Kenya, but has refused to show proof that he and gone to Kenya (all that it would take would be to scan the page on his passport with the Kenya stamp on it) but he keeps claiming that he got the BC in Kenya and keeps refusing to show that he had been there (and he also misspells several names and uses the US date format and not the one used in Kenya.) And, by the way, he is a former felon, one of whose crimes was, wait for it, forgery.
To be sure, there are now some people in Kenya, just as there are people in the USA, who have been misled by the lies and think that Obama was born in Kenya. But they are just as wrong as the Americans who were mislead, and there is not a shred of evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, and the odds against it are ENORMOUS.
Once again Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Only 21—want to see the link to that FACT? And, guess what, we do not even know that Obama’s mother had a passport. And we know that VERY VERY few women traveled late in pregnancy in 1961 perhaps one in a hundred thousand or even less—that is because of the high incidence of stillbirths in those days. So what are the odds that Obama’s mother was one of those 21? (Not very good, right?).
Yeah, I would like to see the link. Still doesn’t mean that she won’t be one of those 21 people if what you is say is true, though. She still could be.
And, the officials of the government of Kenya say that they investigated and that Obama certainly was NOT born there.
What do you call this?
http://www.wnd.com/2010/04/139481/
And what do you call this? Obama’s last Kenyan visit in 2006 when he was Senator. Was caught saying, “It’s good to be back home”. Doesn’t look forged to me.
So, what do we have. We have an error by a publicist saying he was born in Kenya, and a clearly FORGED video saying that he admitted being born in Kenya, and we know that the chance of his being born in Kenya was one in 21 people in 1961 and the chance of his mother going out of the country was one in a hundred thousand or less, and we have the official statements of two governments that Obama was NOT born in Kenya. The Kenyan government saying that he was NOT born there, and the Hawaii government (officials of both parties in Hawaii, plus the birth notices in the newspapers etc etc) saying that he was born in Hawaii.
Do you believe what that stupid publicist is saying that it could be a mistake? I think he’s just saying that to play innocent victim and to defend himself. Plus, maybe Barack is paying him to lie?
The same goes for those Kenyan governments. Barack could have paid a lot of money for them to lie too. Money and power, mate. That’s all Barack is about and that’s all he has ever been.
What are the odds that (1) Obama’s parents had enough money to send their daughter on such a trip (they didn’t); (2) That they would have done so even if they had the money despite the risk of stillbirth; (3) She and Obama were two of the 21 who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961; (4) the Kenyan government AND the Hawaiian officials of both parties are lying, and somehow someone was able to plant forged microfilms in two separate libraries showing that the DOH of Hawaii sent birth notices to the newspapers “Health Bureau Statistics” section (which only the DOH could send notices to and it only send those notices for births in Hawaii in 1961).
We don’t know the details of how she was able to afford the trip to the USA from Kenya. Maybe she borrowed money from someone else? Maybe she was saving up for it? All kinds of possibilities. Don’t always think that could she get the money from her parents. She could have found other ways to get it.
The fact that his publicist got it wrong does not and cannot overcome the gigantic odds against all those things happening, and forged videos should be counterproductive. People who forge videos are trying to get you to believe things that are false.
How do you know if the publicist made a mistake just because he said it? I agree that the video is forged but at least the original video really showed his support for Muslims.
Re Obama not having visted Kenya as president. Sure, that is true, but I said that he had visited Kenya. And he did. His first visit was in 1988, and he visited Kenya AGAIN in 2006, shortly after he was elected to the Senate (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-1299403/The-Obama-Tour-Meeting-presidents-relatives-Kenya.html). So he has visited Kenya twice, and most other countries in Africa not at all.
I already knew he had already visited Kenya a couple of times while Senator but not too much. There have to be a pretty good reason why he is avoiding his home country like the plague right?
Oh, by the way, there are also several forged “Kenyan birth certificates,” done for much the same reason as the forged video, and one of them (the one with the footprint on it) was done by a fellow named Lucas D. Smith, who claimed to have gotten it in Kenya, but has refused to show proof that he and gone to Kenya (all that it would take would be to scan the page on his passport with the Kenya stamp on it) but he keeps claiming that he got the BC in Kenya and keeps refusing to show that he had been there (and he also misspells several names and uses the US date format and not the one used in Kenya.) And, by the way, he is a former felon, one of whose crimes was, wait for it, forgery.
How do you know that the short/long term B.C. he released publicly a few years ago weren’t forgery? Explain that one.
To be sure, there are now some people in Kenya, just as there are people in the USA, who have been misled by the lies and think that Obama was born in Kenya. But they are just as wrong as the Americans who were mislead, and there is not a shred of evidence that Obama was born in Kenya, and the odds against it are ENORMOUS.
Why would home country people be wrong about the birthplace of a famous person of where they were originally from? Home country people usually are pretty smart and they know pretty much everything so they wouldn’t be wrong about this famous person being born at a certain place.
Why is there no evidence of Barack being born in Kenya? It’s simply because he’s hiding it all. Not being transparent about this. Funny enough, there is not a shred of evidence of Barack being born in the USA either. You can’t believe everything Barack says to you ’cause all that asshole has been doing to us is lying just like he’s lying about his birthplace.
You liberals can defend him all you want to, you have nothing to prove no matter how many links or videos you show to me. So just give yourself up.
Kev
Had to correct my last comment for writing mistakes, typed it way too fast.
Kev
Let’s also consider that for all of the alleged cover-ups to be possible, Obama’s mother would have to have made the decision prior to his birth that he was going to be President and thus began the charade immediately.
She probably did plan his future goals. Like I said, she wanted him to live in the US ’cause she probably didn’t want him to be stuck in Kenya where there isn’t much around. She wanted him to have a good life…
…but with the way Obama is running our country, I am feeling that he’s doing it for no reason. It has something to do with his father and the Muslim religion. He has a goal. His book, “Dreams From My Father” should explain it. I’m reading that book right now, and halfway through it.
Kev
So, a girl with no real money, who was involved in what was certainly a scandalous (at the time) relationship with an African man managed too find all way too falsify and payoff all sorts of elected officials in Kenya and the US?
I’m not saying she paid off all the Kenyan officials and US to lie about his nationality, I’m saying Barack himself did.
All Ann basically did was help cover up his birthplace by destroying the passports, birth records, and other personal information.
I know how a lot of people think hiding your actual birthplace and pretending to be a natural born citizen somewhere else is impossible but it can be possible. You have to be good at lying. You have to have a lot of money and power. Quite frankly, this is nothing new. Why do you think we have so many illegal immigrants here? I’m sure there are many pretending to be born in the US when they aren’t really.
Kev
Yeah, and they are all under the radar working at shitty jobs and scared every day they’ll be deported. Hell, the administration can’t even keep one lousy Army private and a snot nosed CIA contract worker from keeping secrets – what makes you think they could cover up a lifetime of lies hiding the truth behind his birthplace?
According to Secretary of State, Ken Bennett, he even claimed that Obama lied about his birthplace to get himself in college too! It is possible that people can have two birth certificates. It is possible you can change your birthplace on passports. It is possible to keep your personal information secret.
Like say, if I wanted to move to a different country for example the United Kingdom and if I wanted to pretend that I was born there… I can simply do that by changing everything. I would completely change my birthplace, birth year, even my birth name (I don’t believe for a second that Barry Soetoro is his real name, sorry) — I could even change my look and appearance if I wanted to. It’s all pretty easy to do. Throw out your older material with your personal information on it like driver’s license and everything else. Secretly changing your records. If you don’t want to get caught being an illegal immigrant, then that requires being a good liar at all times. Maybe even going as far as paying people to keep their mouths shut.
It can be done and you know it.
I’m still waiting for that guy to send me the link of the so called “proof” when 21 people moved to the USA from Kenya in ’61. I tried googling that information and couldn’t find anything.
Kev
“On a side note, there is a perfectly good reason why the Constitution only allows national born US citizens to become President… because if a foreign person was allowed to become President, foreign people could have a different vision with America.”
Republicans had a hard-on for Arnold Schwarzenegger while he was governor of California, to the point that there was talk of amending the Constitution to let him run for president. That’s right, the Republicans of all people wanted an immigrant to head up America.
Besides, America would have to actually like someone enough to consider voting for him for president. In order for an immigrant to have a shot, he’d either have to embrace American ideals or America would have to have such a cultural shift that they’d suddenly think someone from Argentina has the right idea. Which do you think is more likely to happen? (Hint: The first one.)
“Foreign people can’t be trusted.”
Aside from the astounding racism of that sentence, unless both sides of your family can trace Native American lineage, we’re all foreigners.
Then again, considering that white people committed genocide on the natives, maybe that isn’t a far-fetched statement.
Aside from the astounding racism of that sentence, unless both sides of your family can trace Native American lineage, we’re all foreigners.
Then if that’s the case then the founding fathers of the Constitution must be a bunch of racists for not allowing foreign people to run, right?
In order for an immigrant to have a shot, he’d either have to embrace American ideals or America would have to have such a cultural shift that they’d suddenly think someone from Argentina has the right idea. Which do you think is more likely to happen? (Hint: The first one.)
Since Obama could be the first president to lie about his birthplace to be president, I have a feeling that other immigrants will follow in the future. They’re gonna give it a try. We can’t have that as it is not right for The Constitution.
I wouldn’t be surprised that when Obama’s done with his presidency, he’ll reveal that he was born from Kenya then or someone else would find out about it. We can’t have that so hopefully Obama’s nationality will get exposed sooner than later.
Kev
“Then if that’s the case then the founding fathers of the Constitution must be a bunch of racists for not allowing foreign people to run, right?”
At the time of the Constitution’s adoption, all of them were British subjects. It was a reaction to the newfound independence. Clearly that’s not an issue anymore.
“Since Obama could be the first president to lie about his birthplace to be president, I have a feeling that other immigrants will follow in the future. They’re gonna give it a try.”
Other immigrants will follow in the future? So they’ll have to have a 51 year long coverup of their origins? (Obama’s current age)
Other immigrants will follow in the future? So they’ll have to have a 51 year long coverup of their origins? (Obama’s current age)
If it takes that long to protect yourself and your birthplace, you have to do whatever it takes to not get caught. That’s exactly what Obama is doing here, and Ann his mother had a large hand in covering up his birthplace since his birth. He’s been protecting his original birthplace since he was born. You can either throw out or change or hide your previous records to make new ones.
If Obama is caught hiding his original birthplace it’s going push other immigrants to try it. Arnold won’t be able to try ’cause everybody already knows who he is.
Kev
All you guys know it can be done and you know exactly what I’m talking about. You keep having opposites of opinions ’cause you’re acting like douchebags and intentionally trying to drive me crazy. Fuck off.
Kev
And nice that you ignored the fact that Arnold is an immigrant and Republicans wanted him to run for president. Clearly people on the right don’t have a problem with immigrants, as long as they’re the “right” immigrants (i.e., white people.)
Yes, Arnold once said that he would have loved to run for President but he can’t. He even once said that he was going to try to change the laws but at least he doesn’t hide and protect his birthplace like Obama.
Kev
But that’s different than saying no foreigners should run. Why not let foreigners run if you can trace their origins? It’s not like we’ll suddenly elect a terrorist.
That’s what America just did, honestly. Elected a terrorist. That’s Obama.
Kev
Re: “Yeah, I would like to see the link. Still doesn’t mean that she won’t be one of those 21 people if what you is say is true, though. She still could be.”
Here is the link. http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/06/authentic-but-not-true/
The INS statistics are for the fiscal year 1961 (hope that did not mislead you) and they are in the second photo from the top, the 13th entry down under Africa. As you can see, not only merely 21 people came to the USA Kenya in 1961, but only seven of them were US citizens, and only one came by air (and that one was not a US citizen). Obama’s mother could have been among the seven US citizens who came to the USA by ship—but that scenario has the obvious problem that she was attending college at the time and so long ship voyages were not practical.
The: “. Still doesn’t mean that she won’t be one of those 21 people…”
Answer: There is of course a chance, just as I have a chance of winning the lottery. But, if we were just introduced, would you assume that I had won the lottery? Of course not. Why not? Because the odds are so very low, of course.
In this case, we are talking about the odds of two people, Obama and his mother, being among the SEVEN US citizens (or the 21 total, if you disagree), when the Kenyan government says that it never happened and the Hawaii government says that he was born IN HAWAII.
Re: ‘What do you call this?
http://www.wnd.com/2010/04/139481/”
Answer: What do you call this?
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …
Re: ““It’s good to be back home”
Answer: I don’t know about you, but my home is not the place where I was born. The remark certainly does not show that Obama was one of the 21 people total who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961.
Re: “Do you believe what that stupid publicist is saying that it could be a mistake?”
Answer: Do you believe that people never make mistakes? Do you believe that if a publicist said that I was born in New Jersey that that would be proof that I was born in New Jersey? As you said, a “stupid publicist”—we agree, and the remarks and beliefs of a stupid publicist prove NOTHING. The legal proof of Obama’s place of birth is the birth certificate of HAWAII, which the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor, who is a friend of Sarah Palin’s) have said repeatedly that they sent to Obama.
Re: “Barack could have paid a lot of money for them to lie too. Money and power, mate. That’s all Barack is about and that’s all he has ever been.”
Answer: There is a logical chance of such bribery, but only if Obama’s mother had a passport (which we do not know) and traveled late in pregnancy (which was extremely rare in those days) and that his mother and he were two among the 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961.
Re: “We don’t know the details of how she was able to afford the trip to the USA from Kenya. Maybe she borrowed money from someone else?”
Answer: Why in the world would she borrow money (a lot of it, it would have cost around $10,000 in 2013 dollars) to go to Kenya late in pregnancy ALONE?
Re: “at least the original video really showed his support for Muslims.”
Answer: Which has absolutely nothing to do with his place of birth.
Re: “I already knew he had already visited Kenya a couple of times while Senator but not too much. There have to be a pretty good reason why he is avoiding his home country like the plague right?”
Answer: It should be obvious that the main reason is that Kenya just had a disputed presidential election, and that there are other countries in Africa. Just because his ancestors came from Kenya does not mean that he has to go there every time that he visits Africa.
Re: “How do you know that the short/long term B.C. he released publicly a few years ago weren’t forgery? Explain that one.:
Answer: First, the difference is that the fellow who claims to have gotten that birth certificate in Kenya has refused to show proof that he had GONE to Kenya. Second, the short form birth certificate is not forged because:
Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.
Third, we know that the long form is not forged because the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated that the facts on it are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent him.
Fourth, this error in the long form makes it being forged extremely unlikely:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/ame-o-ospit-or-nstitution-not-in-ospit/
Re: “Why would home country people be wrong about the birthplace of a famous person of where they were originally from? Home country people usually are pretty smart and they know pretty much everything so they wouldn’t be wrong about this famous person being born at a certain place.
Answer: They are wrong because of the 21 INS figure, because it was rare for pregnant women to travel in those days, because a trip to Kenya would have cost around $10,000 in 2013 dollars and because the Kenyan government says that it did not happen and the Hawaii government (officials of both parties) says that he was born in Hawaii.
Bravo!
Make no mistake about it. This idiot still didn’t win! I’ll get him back in a little bit! You don’t ever win a debate in my site, remember that!
Kev
Answer: There is of course a chance, just as I have a chance of winning the lottery. But, if we were just introduced, would you assume that I had won the lottery? Of course not. Why not? Because the odds are so very low, of course.
In this case, we are talking about the odds of two people, Obama and his mother, being among the SEVEN US citizens (or the 21 total, if you disagree), when the Kenyan government says that it never happened and the Hawaii government says that he was born IN HAWAII.
Doing a little googling, I have noticed that you’ve been to almost all of Obama birther sites trying to tell everyone the same thing that only 21 people moved to the US from Kenya in ’61. My question is how do you know if that info is correct? Do you honestly believe that image where you got that info from is real and legit? Just some site on the internet from some dude named, Dr. Conspiracy? You actually believe everything this writer wrote and now you’re going around everywhere online telling everyone that is proof that Obama was born in Hawaii? Dude, that still doesn’t prove anything of how Obama was born in Hawaii. Where did this Dr. Conspiracy writer get that information from? Anybody could have made that up just to make themselves look like a credible writer.
Answer: I don’t know about you, but my home is not the place where I was born. The remark certainly does not show that Obama was one of the 21 people total who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961.
In that Jon Chessoni website you just showed me, here are a couple of theories of how Barack O’ may have had gotten away with hiding his birthplace.
1) It’s either Barack doesn’t have any of his records in Kenya, Jon Chessoni doesn’t know about it
2) Chessoni was paid to lie
Answer: Do you believe that people never make mistakes? Do you believe that if a publicist said that I was born in New Jersey that that would be proof that I was born in New Jersey? As you said, a “stupid publicist”—we agree, and the remarks and beliefs of a stupid publicist prove NOTHING. The legal proof of Obama’s place of birth is the birth certificate of HAWAII, which the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor, who is a friend of Sarah Palin’s) have said repeatedly that they sent to Obama.
Yes, people make mistakes but from what I’ve seen when the publicist said he was born from Kenya in the brochure pamphlet, that story was first reported on the Breitbart site. The site which was started by Andrew Breitbart who was assassinated by none other than President Obama. Yeah, go figure right?
Answer: There is a logical chance of such bribery, but only if Obama’s mother had a passport (which we do not know) and traveled late in pregnancy (which was extremely rare in those days) and that his mother and he were two among the 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961.
You really believe that 21 people moved to the USA from Kenya in ’61, do you? I haven’t seen much info of that anywhere else except for that one website you showed me. That’s why I find that info a load of crock.
You believe everything you read and see on the internet?
Answer: Why in the world would she borrow money (a lot of it, it would have cost around $10,000 in 2013 dollars) to go to Kenya late in pregnancy ALONE?
Well, in the 60’s, I’m sure money was different. I’m sure plane tickets back then wouldn’t have been all that much. On top of that, stop assuming this woman could have been a poor woman when you don’t know. What you say is just speculation and opinion. There are all kinds of possibilities on how she would have gotten the money to travel. We can’t assume.
Answer: Which has absolutely nothing to do with his place of birth.
The Muslim religion has everything to do with his place of birth. His father was Muslim. Grew up in a Muslim family, and even went to a Muslim school in Indonesia. Can you see why people would think that Obama could possibly be Muslim?
Answer: It should be obvious that the main reason is that Kenya just had a disputed presidential election, and that there are other countries in Africa. Just because his ancestors came from Kenya does not mean that he has to go there every time that he visits Africa.
That’s just another lie from President Obama. That’s all he does is lie, lie, lie. Liar, liar, your pants are on fire. That’s Obama. He wants to make it look like he’s avoiding Kenya because of their president election. Obama can go there anytime he wants.
Answer: First, the difference is that the fellow who claims to have gotten that birth certificate in Kenya has refused to show proof that he had GONE to Kenya. Second, the short form birth certificate is not forged because
Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.
Third, we know that the long form is not forged because the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have stated that the facts on it are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent him.
:
How do you know exactly that the long term is not forged? You can’t believe everything the Obama administration tells or shows you. The same thing with both parties in Hawaii. How do you know what they tell you is the truth?
Obama could easily have his original B.C. with Kenya written on it sealed and kept hidden very well. If someone gets a hold of it and releases it publicly, uh-oh.
Answer: They are wrong because of the 21 INS figure, because it was rare for pregnant women to travel in those days, because a trip to Kenya would have cost around $10,000 in 2013 dollars and because the Kenyan government says that it did not happen and the Hawaii government (officials of both parties) says that he was born in Hawaii.
That’s according to “them“.
Answer: They are wrong because of the 21 INS figure, because it was rare for pregnant women to travel in those days, because a trip to Kenya would have cost around $10,000 in 2013 dollars and because the Kenyan government says that it did not happen and the Hawaii government (officials of both parties) says that he was born in Hawaii.
You keep believing that 21 INS is legit. How do you know if that’s official proof, seriously??? Also, how do you know it was rare for pregnant woman to travel back then? You don’t know every little detail of Ann Dunham’s life so quit acting like you do, Sherlock. You talk as if you’re talking facts when you’re not. You have nothing to prove.
You can’t believe everything that’s posted on the internet and you can’t believe everything that all these “officials” tell you. This world is fucked up, that’s a fact. Too many liars and untrustworthy people all over this god damn world. Don’t you think all of these “officials” are helping to protect Barack?
There are still a lot of people that believe that he was born in Kenya. If it’s somehow proven (and it will), then all those who thought he was US born will look like a bunch of fools.
You haven’t proven anything to anybody, bro. Get over yourself.
Kev
Re: “There are still a lot of people that believe that he was born in Kenya. If it’s somehow proven (and it will), then all those who thought he was US born will look like a bunch of fools. ”
And if it is somehow proven that the Earth is flat those who thought it round will look like fools too. But the Earth is round, and the ones who think it flat are the fools.
Re: “Too many liars and untrustworthy people all over this god damn world. Don’t you think all of these “officials” are helping to protect Barack? ”
Answer: No. I believe that the government of Kenya is telling the truth. There are, by the way, several thousand Americans living in Kenya and several thousand who used to live there and have come back to the USA, and not one of them has ever said that he was told that Obama was born in Kenya. It is doubtful that the former Republican governor of Hawaii would be willing to lie for Obama. And the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley. Well, they would have had to have found a woman who worked in Hawaii with a father named Stanley to make that lie work (the woman’s father’s name really is Stanley). And then there is the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers.
And we KNOW that the people who hate him are willing to make up videos and forge “birth certificates” and lie and say that Obama’s lawyer “admitted” that the birth certificate was forged, when she didn’t, and lie and say that Obama’s grandmother said that he was born in Kenya, when she didn’t. The liars seem to be on the anti-Obama side. And the chance that both Kenya and the Republican (and Democrat) officials in Hawaii are lying, and the birth notices and the Index Data and the teacher who wrote home are all lying is very small.
And it remains the fact that very few women traveled late in pregnancy and the cost of a trip from Hawaii to Kenya was enormous, and Obama’s father did not leave Hawaii—so the chance of Obama’s mother going there alone when pregnant is enormously low. This is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review have all called birthers CRAZY.
Re: “The Muslim religion has everything to do with his place of birth. His father was Muslim. Grew up in a Muslim family, and even went to a Muslim school in Indonesia. Can you see why people would think that Obama could possibly be Muslim? ”
Answer. His father was an atheist. And, if Obama were a Muslim, and he isn’t, he is a baptized Christian (Re. Wright’s church, you know) as is his wife and daughters, that, duh, would not make him born in Kenya. And, if he were a Muslim, which he is not, that is neither illegal or immoral. You can think that he is a Muslim and you can think that he was born in Kenya, but he was elected last November and unless he is impeached—which is not at all likely—or something terrible happens (and if that did Biden would become president), then he will be president until January 2017. Don’t like that fact? Too bad for you.
Answer: No. I believe that the government of Kenya is telling the truth. There are, by the way, several thousand Americans living in Kenya and several thousand who used to live there and have come back to the USA, and not one of them has ever said that he was told that Obama was born in Kenya. It is doubtful that the former Republican governor of Hawaii would be willing to lie for Obama. And the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley. Well, they would have had to have found a woman who worked in Hawaii with a father named Stanley to make that lie work (the woman’s father’s name really is Stanley). And then there is the Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers.
And we KNOW that the people who hate him are willing to make up videos and forge “birth certificates” and lie and say that Obama’s lawyer “admitted” that the birth certificate was forged, when she didn’t, and lie and say that Obama’s grandmother said that he was born in Kenya, when she didn’t. The liars seem to be on the anti-Obama side. And the chance that both Kenya and the Republican (and Democrat) officials in Hawaii are lying, and the birth notices and the Index Data and the teacher who wrote home are all lying is very small.
And it remains the fact that very few women traveled late in pregnancy and the cost of a trip from Hawaii to Kenya was enormous, and Obama’s father did not leave Hawaii—so the chance of Obama’s mother going there alone when pregnant is enormously low. This is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review have all called birthers CRAZY.
Trust me, the truth of Obama being born in Kenya will get out there. When President Obama gets exposed for these crimes such as Benghazi, Operation: F#F and when he gets busted for being a war criminal — him being born in Kenya will come out during the trials.
I still think you’re full of shit and you’re just making things up as you go along.
Answer. His father was an atheist. And, if Obama were a Muslim, and he isn’t, he is a baptized Christian (Re. Wright’s church, you know) as is his wife and daughters, that, duh, would not make him born in Kenya. And, if he were a Muslim, which he is not, that is neither illegal or immoral. You can think that he is a Muslim and you can think that he was born in Kenya, but he was elected last November and unless he is impeached—which is not at all likely—or something terrible happens (and if that did Biden would become president), then he will be president until January 2017. Don’t like that fact? Too bad for you.
I still think it’s very possible that Obama is a Muslim. He had Muslim Brotherhood working in the White House. He continues to support the Muslim religion. They aren’t a peaceful religion either.
The man will get impeached for killing 4 Americans in Benghazi, killing people with drones, and being an unconstitutional war criminal. The list can go on. We’ll get him, man. No doubt about it. Benghazi and Operation: F&F are pretty serious crimes… they will not get left unanswered, we’ll get to the bottom of both of them.
Once again, I can’t stand people who keep defending Obama. Misinformed people who don’t understand politics. People in the government are all untrustworthy scum.
Kev
Regarding the allegation that the INS document that said that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961 was forged by Dr. Conspiracy.
Here is the complete report:
http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/n0/mode/1up
Scroll down to page 74, about two-thirds of the way down in the book, and you will find the Kenya arrivals listing.
Moreover, on page 77, the same report shows the number of people who WENT to Kenya in fiscal 1961, and that shows that only 63 did (of whom 60 were Americans), and that of the 63 not a single person, not one, went by air.
So, according to birther theory, Obama’s mother, in the last two months of pregnancy at the age of 18, was among the 60 Americans who went to Kenya by sea in fiscal 1961 and one of the seven Americans who came to the USA from Kenya in fiscal 1961, and again she traveled by sea. If the WND report is wrong about Obama’s father not leaving the USA in 1961, then he would have had to have been one of the THREE aliens who went to Kenya in fiscal 1961. So, if she went to Kenya, most likely she traveled alone.
There were, by the way, no direct normally scheduled direct boats from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961 (although of course there could have been a tramp steamer).
Think about it. Obama was 6 years old when he lived in Indonesia for a little while from ’67 – ’71. We don’t know where he originally stayed before then. It could be that Ann and Obama stayed in Kenya for 5 or 6 years so he can grow up and be taken care of. She doesn’t have to travel right on the year of his birth, could have made the move a few years later. I would think she stayed in Kenya with Barack for a little while, and then they made the move to Indonesia. Why would they make the move to Indonesia? I would think that Island is kind of closer to Hawaii. Hawaii would be right across the Pacific ocean from Indonesia, I would think. Traveling from Africa to Hawaii would have been a bit too far and too expensive for them. They made the move from Indonesia to probably cut down costs. You’re the one that’s totally wrong.
Kev
Re: “Why would they make the move to Indonesia? ”
Because, duh, Obama’s mother married and Indonesian man.
True but there is also a lot of talk and rumors that Lolo may have adopted Barack Obama Jr., and it may have been him that brought Barack to Hawaii, and not her. There’s another theory for ya, right there.
Kev
Re: “rue but there is also a lot of talk and rumors that Lolo may have adopted Barack Obama Jr., and it may have been him that brought Barack to Hawaii, and not her. There’s another theory for ya, right there. ”
Answer: Adoption in Indonesia requires the action of a district court, and no such court papers have been found.
Answer: Adoption in Indonesia requires the action of a district court, and no such court papers have been found.
True but she could “illegally” give Barack Jr. up to Lolo by simply handing him over. Never thought of that, right?
Kev
You’ve swayed me Kev. Good argument.
If you actually meant what you said, I told you I wasn’t gonna give up on this guy, right? 😉
I think I pretty much won this one.
Kev
Re: “Yes, people make mistakes but from what I’ve seen when the publicist said he was born from Kenya in the brochure pamphlet, that story was first reported on the Breitbart site. The site which was started by Andrew Breitbart who was assassinated by none other than President Obama. Yeah, go figure right?”
Answer: Andrew Breitbart died of natural causes, and he was NEVER a birther. He laughed at them.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/andrew-breitbart-cause-of-death-heart-attack-314705
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/09/police-debunk-theories-linking-breitbart-l-a-coroner-tech-deaths.html
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/05/andrew-breitbart-was-never-a-birther-123780.html
Breitbart.Com reports the literary blurb saying that Obama was born in Kenya, but it says that neither IT believes in nor would Andrew Breitbart:
It says: “The errant Obama biography in the Acton & Dystel booklet does not contradict the authenticity of Obama’s birth certificate. Moreover, several contemporaneous accounts of Obama’s background describe Obama as having been born in Hawaii.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii
And this in which Andrew Breitbart when alive was criticizing birthers:
http://washingtonindependent.com/75949/birther-speaker-takes-heat-at-tea-party-convention
Sure but to correct you on one thing, Breitbart didn’t die of natural causes. Coroner ruled it was heart failure. The reason people place the blame on Obama for the Breitbart death is because Breitbart had dinner with Bill Ayers and Breitbart at CPAC in Feb. of 2010 — announced that he had a series of videos that was going to embarrass Obama. About a month later, Breitbart died.
Don’t you think Obama hired people to kill him and cover it up? Kind of like Kennedy killing Marilyn Monroe and covering it up.
Kev
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEvpIz1RctE
And from the sounds of that speech, sounds like he was about to expose Obama of his nationality.
Kev
Re: “Breitbart.Com reports the literary blurb saying that Obama was born in Kenya, but it says that neither IT believes in nor would Andrew Breitbart.”
That should read Breitbart.Com reports the literary blurb as saying that Obama was born in Kenya, but it says that neither IT believes that Obama was born in Kenya in nor would Andrew Breitbart:
Re: “Breitbart didn’t die of natural causes. Coroner ruled it was heart failure.”
“Releasing Breitbart’s autopsy results, the coroner’s office deemed the 43-year-old’s death was natural when he collapsed near his Los Angeles home on March 1, the Los Angeles Times reported.
The office said his death was caused by heart failure and hypertropic cardiomyopathy with focal coronary atherosclerosis, the technical description for the hardening of the arteries.
Breitbart did not have any illicit drugs in his system at the time of his death. His blood alcohol level was 0.04 percent.
Breitbart reportedly had a cardiac episode last year for which he consulted a cardiologist, but he was not believed to have been prescribed medications or to have scheduled follow-up visits. ”
(http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2012/04/24/the-la-coroner-ruled-andrew-breitbarts-death-as-heart-failure-could-he-have-been-murdered/)
And:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/breitbart-died-heart-failure-la-coroner-rules-article-1.1065328
And:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/20/11314984-coroner-conservative-blogger-breitbart-died-from-heart-disease?lite
Yes but dontcha think that there are all kinds of weapons out there that you could poison people with and make it look like it was heart failure? That video in that first link you just posted has an interesting way of explaining how it may have happened. You can make a murder look like an accident and get away with it easily. A perfect murder.
Kev
It should be no surprise that Obama might have murdered Andrew since Obama doesn’t seem to like people calling him out about certain stuff especially with the conservative spying of IRS, wiretapping verizon cell phones, hacking into news reporters, killing people in Benghazi over that Islamic video, etc. Deal with it guys, Obama is a fuckin’ maniac and needs to be locked up.
Kev
Re: “True but she could “illegally” give Barack Jr. up to Lolo by simply handing him over. Never thought of that, right?”
Perhaps, but rational people do not consider everything that is POSSIBLE because trillions of trillions of things are possible. IF there were evidence that she “illegally” give Barack Jr. up to Lolo by simply handing him over”, then there would be a reason to consider it. And, there is no such evidence.
What are you a fuckin’ detective or what? No evidence in this and no evidence in that. I tried telling you plenty of times that there is no evidence of Obama being born in Hawaii either… and those B.C.’s Obama released publicly don’t count as official evidence. Websites on the internet don’t really prove anything either. If you think what people post on stupid websites as evidence then I feel sorry for you.
Kev
Birthers have not even shown that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961 (and very very few 18-year-olds did in those days), and yet they would like the world to believe that there is a realistic chance that she had a passport AND traveled using it during the last two months of pregnancy (which would have been even more rare due to the rate of stillbirths at the time) .
Birthers have not even shown the date on which Obama’s mother’s passport file was created (and if it was created after 1961, she did not have a passport in 1961). And, the date on which Obama’s mother’s passport file was created is unlikely to have been lost, evaporated, or scratched off of the file (and if it were, they could tell us if that had indeed happened). But birther sites have not even told us that date.
And they LIED by saying that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya (She actually said repeatedly that he was born in HAWAII, but they just cut off the tape just before she was asked “Where was he born?”)
Yet, the birther sites that have not shown that Obama’s mother had a passport in 1961 and do not show the date on which Obama’s mother’s passport file was created AND lied about Obama’s Kenyan grandmother saying he was born in Kenya still want us to assume that she had a passport, and that she traveled to a foreign country despite the risk of stillbirth, and that the birther “experts” are telling the truth about their claim that the birth certificate is forged (although the birther sites simply do not show the numerous real experts who say that it was not forged).
AND they want us to believe that the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying about his place of birth, and so is the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers—which at the time could only have been sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii, which at the time only sent out those notices for births IN Hawaii. No wonder rational people do not believe them.
You just won’t give up, do you? Defend him all you want to but I will always believe Obama was born from Kenya. You keep talking as if you are talking factual things which you are not. There’s no proof that Obama was actually born in the USA. Just more reasons to hate liberals ’cause they’re all so blind and misinformed.
Kev